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The reflect to the "Handbook" in the world and editor's response
 
Editor note: Since the book "Ennio Morricone Fans Handbook" was issued, many friends from Frence, Holand, Ireland, Hungary, United States, Canada, United Kingdom etc. order the book, and they sent email to the editor or comment the book on different sites. The following abstract publishes some emails and comments, and to do a total response by the editor
 
001- Selected a few subscriber's emails
 
From Hungary friend
01-From Hungary friend
-From Dutch friend
02-From Dutch friend
From French friend
03-From French friend
-From Irish friend
04-From Irish friend
-From United States' friend
05-From United States' friend
From United States' friend
06-From United States' friend
From Canadian friend
07-From Canadian friend
Thanks to the subscribers' support from the worldwide, we will continue to work hard
 
002-From Belgium Chimai
From Belgium Chimai
See here
From Belgium Chimai
See here
003-From the Italian forum (English) in the Ennio Morricone Official website on Jan.18-24,2013 See here
From the Italian forum (English) in the Ennio Morricone Official website
From the Italian forum (English) in the Ennio Morricone Official website
From the Italian forum (English) in the Ennio Morricone Official website
 
 
Replies from the Editor (qilingren) on May 7, 2013 See here
Morricone fan′s handbook - worth buying?
Leo Nikko 2013.1.18 AM 10:24
You "in the know", so to say: is the newly published "Morricone fan′s handbook" worth buying, if you are seriously interested in the Maestro and his music? I mean, the publisher is Chinese...no offend meant, but how′s the english, and how informative is this book, in the first place?

Here′s where the book can be ordered: http://morricone.cn/ns-notes/ns-notes-006-eng.htm

Leo Nikko

Laurent 2013.1.23 AM 10:15
Hi Leo Nikko and everyone out there

Thanks to a friend who will recognize himself easily, I've been browsing through this book for say two hours or so and personally wouldn't recommend it. The contents merely duplicate hundreds of pages sourced off straight from the EM Chinese website, featuring mostly endless lists of films and/or albums, using a very questionable "methodology", if I might describe it with such a high concept. Besides the countless and boring repetitions, here's just one irritating example: why did they bother reproducing at least one filmography in which ALLA SCOPERTA DELL'AMERICA has been erroneously dated from 1961 whereras we all know for sure it's a score from 1977, as is clearly demonstrated by the music itself? I must say that the EMM has been conceived according to a far more suitable and adequate approach, even though it inevitably had some flaws here and there. To got back to the so-called "Morricone fan's handbook", I don't understand the purpose of this kind of effort and I assume this has to do with cultural reasons in the first place. Please mind that I either mean nothing pejorative against Asian people whom I respect a lot in general but let's say that I feel lightyears away from their conceptions when it comes to a research of that kind. I think these "authors" limit themselves too much with compiling filmographies and discographies achieved by other people no matter if these lists are accurate, which means the result can't be helpful to fans let alone to scholars. This is the reason why I don't visit this Chinese website any longer.
Besides, to answer another part of your question, the English level employed in this thick "book" or I'd rather say "catalogue" is rather poor to say the least! And I must add that many passages are in Chinese.
Laurent

 

Didier 2013.1.23 PM 1:10
I think that the idea of the authors was merely to share whatever information they have gathered. So the book should not be seen as a result of a throrough research, but could be the basis of such a research. It doesn't analyze the data, it just makes it available, which is already an important step. Han, the webmaster and editor of the book, is a delicious person with whom I have been in contact for years, and he should be praised for his will to share information with other fans.

There now exists a version fully in English and another one fully in Chinese.

Didier

Laurent 2013.1.18 PM 6:53
And Didier is so modest that he didn't mention that he wrote a contribution for this Chinese publication. So did Cali as well. Still, as you probably understood it, the final product isn't my cup of tea but I hope other persons might be satisfied with it. Does anyone else want to express his opinion?

Laurent

Leo Nikko 2013.1.24 AM 7:58

Well, judging by your comments, I think I′ll pass this one - with hopes of a decent and truly analytical book being published in the future. Thanks!

Leo Nikko

Replies from the Editor (qilingren) on May 7, 2013 See here)
Hello everyone. I am the webmaster HAN of "Morricone Fans" and the editor of the book "Ennio Morricone Fans Handbook". I've seen all the comments and opinion here and other forums, thanks for everyone. My response has been published here
( http://morricone.cn/ns-notes/ns-not ... d2-eng.htm ),
you are welcome to visit and further discussion. Thank you
004-From French "Under Scores"See here
 
From French "Under Scores"
 
Scorebob (French)2013.3.9 PM 22:31

Et une somme livresque à paraitre bientot... EN CHINE!:

http://morricone.cn/ns-notes/ns-notes-006-eng.htm

Translateb result by babylon
Translateb result by babylon
005-From American FSM on March 12,2013 See here
来自美国FSM的有关评论
 
Replies from the Editor (qilingren) on April 29,2013 See here
General Discussion: ENNIO MORRICONE FANS HANDBOOK
Morricone 2013.3.9 AM 10:41

Posted: Mar 9, 2013 - 10:41 AM
By: Morricone (Member)

I just received this and thought I would say a word about it.
First let me say all the criticisms about it are true. The printing looks like xerox, the English grammar is sometimes unreadable, there are typos and mislabeled pictures and there is some repetition and little new that you can't find on the internet.

That said this is truly a labor of love! The editor Wenguang Han is a retired chief chemical engineer in China. He brings some of that engineering disciplines to this book. It is written from the Chinese perspective and the last 40 some pages are of him, his friends, family and travels (including meeting American president Clinton outside the White House). But the meat of this 340 page book is from page 80 to 225 where you find a discography with two color images from every film Morricone has scored up to 2008, with track listings. This is indeed meaty and where he found two images (including the 45 RPM covers) of things like I MARZIANI HANNO DODICI MANI/ THE TWELVE-HANDED MEN OF MARS I'll never know, but I do appreciate them. He also does comparative statistics such as how many times Morricone worked with various directors, the IMDB number of films scored by him (506) vs. the official site's numbers (401) plus many more.

Since my old musicography ended in 1990 and it was cumbersome to update this will probably be my go-to physical reference for Morricone from now on. Han has done his best to make this book as deluxe as he could, with tissue covered title page, glossy covers and all pictures in color.
Thank you for your dedication and hard work, Han!

http://morricone.cn/ns-notes/ns-notes-006-eng.htm

an the man 2013.3.9 PM 5:52
Posted: Mar 9, 2013 - 5:52 PM
By: dan the man (Member)

Sounds like a great book to read, because it is REAL, which is more i can say for so much flashy junk with nothing on the inside done by people who don't even feel or love the topic they are doing or know about it much. All they have is connections and they kiss a--.. then they think their somebody. As we know we have some of those types roaming around here, don't we.

Francis 2013.3.10 AM 11:56
Posted: Mar 10, 2013 - 11:56 AM
By: Francis (Member)

But the meat of this 340 page book is from page 80 to 225 where you find a discography with two color images from every film Morricone has scored up to 2008, with track listings. This is indeed meaty and where he found two images (including the 45 RPM covers) of things like I MARZIANI HANNO DODICI MANI/ THE TWELVE-HANDED MEN OF MARS I'll never know, but I do appreciate them.


This I find interesting as Morricone's output is so extensive and his scores often have multiple releases I find myself lost in translation. Not to mention so many european movies are unattainable and obscure and my knowledge of Italian I picked up from Argento & Fulci movies does not allow me to comprehend much of the liner notes

Replies from the Editor (qilingren) on April 28, 2013 (See here
Hello everyone. I am the webmaster of "Morricone Fans" and the editor of the book "Ennio Morricone Fans Handbook". I've seen all the comments and opinion here and other forums. My response has been published in here
( http://morricone.cn/ns-notes/ns-notes-006add2-eng.htm ),
you are welcome to visit and further discussion. Thank you
 
 
006-Editor's response to the comments
1. It is a good thing the widespread concern and response caused by the "Handbook" at home and abroad, especially Europe and the United States. It can shorten the distance between us--developing countries fans-- and foreign (developed country) experienced fans, enhance mutual understanding. In addition, for many of controversial works, caused the attention of fans and official, also an important purpose of this book publication. In the current case, that many questions always have different opinions, has been in existence for many years and has not been resolved, it is good thing that the questions can cause widespread concern and discussion. To either praised or criticized, the editor express my heartfelt welcome and thanks: praise make us to feel the value and Increase confidence; criticism make us to see the problem, to facilitate improve. We especially need it.
2. Most reviewers gave a positive affirmation for the chapter 3 "Integrate overview of Ennio Morricone soundtrack and its films". These repercussions confirmed our thoughts, such a comprehensive integration chapter is not done by the predecessors. Especially as a paper written book, it is to be needed by different levels of fans including Europe and America many fans. We should further improve it, and also should make the necessary explanation for the disputed portion, for promote clarify and resolve to these Controversial issues in the worldwide area.
3. The main criticism of the response. We already know the views of mainly three points:1:"There are some mistakes in the book": 2, Its content is not enough refining, for experienced enthusiasts, can only be regarded as a "directory"; 3, The level of English is rather poor. The following is editor's opinion :

3-1 About "There are some mistakes in the book"

I have said in the preface and postscript of the "Handbook": "as the editor 's own level and conditions, this book can only be a reference for fans. The face of such huge amount of work, the book inevitably there are some error or even fallacious, readers are welcome to revise it, in order to be corrected in the second edition". We hope to have more friends to give concrete help, pointed out the mistake, that is exactly what we expect.

Page 336 in the "Handbook"
Page 336 in the "Handbook"
But about Laurent friend's comment "why did they bother reproducing at least one filmography in which ALLA SCOPERTA DELL'AMERICA has been erroneously dated from 1961 whereras we all know for sure it's a score from 1977, as is clearly demonstrated by the music itself?" the editor has a few words to say.
About this issue, the editor has been aware more or less, and due to space limitations only write a few words in the book 3-1 NA6101:"And its produced year is 1964 or 1971 in some info. Here was listed 1961 according to the info of Morricone's official website." Moreover we stated in the book repeatedly, in the currently case that has many controversies, the edition of this book bases on the chronology directory of the official website (See below image)
Page 80 in the "Handbook"
Page 80 in the "Handbook"
It is indeed a annoying problem, but the troublemaker is not from the editor. Attached are some screenshots, they can explain this problem
The Morricone official web site shows 1961
The IMDB web site shows 1964
The IMDB web site shows 1964
The Soundtrack shows 2 resulst in the same page 1964 and 1977
The Soundtrack shows 2 resulst in the same page 1964 and 1977
The Soundtrack shows 2 resulst in the same page 1964 and 1977
The CHIMAI shows 1977
Well, In the face of such a chaotic data, (Similar such problems what official data and other sources are inconsistent, at least more than 100. See the book of 2-3 "A research on Morricone filmography" and below image), In the present conditions, the editor does not have such ability to find reliable answers one by one. The editor had no other choice, only the first choice of the data of the official website that should be the most authoritative data. And as far as possible to join such annotations in order to attract attention. It has been the editor best efforts that the editor can do in that time! If there is a troublemaker, then, first of all should be the Ennio Morricone official website! The editor was merely a "victim". All senior fans, in the face of such long-term unresolved problems, also there is a responsibility to promote its effectively and practical solution, before its official website has not made revises finally, can points out problem, but allows everybody to discuss, do not impose one's views on others, and even more was not suitable to blame other fans . In this book, the editor also has issued a appeal, hope to get the attention and resolve of the Morricone's official website and Italian government relevant departments
Page 55-56 in the”Handbook"
In fact, the official website's problems, the editor has found long time ago (See here and here). As early as in 2009, the editor had send many time emails to the official website for this kind of problem, but there has been no any reply, so I have to give up. Ennio Morricone has been 85 years old this year, his official website at least has been established in more than a decade. Like this kind of Important issues remain unsolved for a long time, the authority of the official website also can exist? Besides continue our efforts, we hope that Europe and the America senior fans common pay more efforts for this issue. Because of the history, geography, culture, language and other favorable conditions, they can more easily and directly contact the official website, ask them or make an authoritative explanation, or modify the error data, fundamentally solve this annoying confusion issues. So that as not to continue to mislead the world fans and future generations.

3-2 About "Its content is not enough refining, for experienced enthusiasts, can only be regarded as a "directory"

The view have certain reason, I fully can understand that not all senior fans need such a book, but this is just a characteristic of the book. Because its name is "Handbook" rather than "review", "research" etc. Thus, it must have a lot of the basic datum and information. This is indeed deliberate arrangement for general beginner and fans' need. The comments of the friend Didier is appropriate, He said: "So the book should not be seen as a result of a throrough research, but could be the basis of such a research. It doesn't analyze the data, it just makes it available, which is already an important step". Especially as a paper book, there is different convenience relative to the web page. The face of hundreds of movies, thousands of alias, thousands of music such complicated issues, Not only for beginners, just is for experienced fans, they sometimes also need that a basic informative book can be picked up at random in around the desk. This also is an important object of the book publishing. For senior fans, they think that the depth of of this book can not meet their needs, this is completely understandable. The editor also hope to improve own knowledge level, and then write some more in-depth book for fans in the lifetime, and now has begun efforts (See The column of Belgium and France on-line fanzine Chimai-"Maestro” in China). Also need to point out is, this book is not just a simple "directory", besides the chapter 2 ( total of about 70 pages,only the 1/5 of the book) as a real "directory" of the "Handbook" (it also contains many useful and special content, example the catalogue of film in years or in alphabetical order, the alias contrast, the chronology of different sources and the research article and so on). The most important chapter 3 (a total of 150 pages , is about 1/2 of English version), although it can also be called the "directory", But its content is far beyond the "directory" concept, and indeed was loved by many readers. here the editor is not much to say.

3-3 About "The level of English is rather poor"

Yes, this criticism is entirely correct. The editor as a people who start self-study English from 50-year-old , deeply self-knowledge for this point. In order to be responsible for English readers, will take effective measures to solve this problem in the next official version.

4 The new version of the measure: in order to make this book more in line with internationally accepted standard, since May 2013, the book will be officially published by China global culture publishing house
in response to readers' comments and requests, intends to take the following measures:
4-1 Chinese version was separately released the full version and simplified version. The simplified version will delete chapter4 and 5 of most content, the total number of pages was reduced about 150 pages, approximately 1/3 of the original book. Take into account the overall level of foreign readers, English version is only issued an official version, a large cuts the chapter 1,2,4,5 part of most content, more suitable for a certain depth request of the fans.
4-2 A careful review of existing content, the controversial content will be added more detailed explanation, in order to facilitate the reader to identify and discuss
4-3 Re-examine of English version , as much as possible to improve English level
5 The editor would also like to take this opportunity to say a few words. Through the edit and publishing work of this "Handbook", I really feel for Morricone's understanding still is very superficial. As friend Laurent said the other word:"I feel lightyears away from their conceptions when it comes to a research of that kind". Although the light year said that is not quite accurate, but decades of gap and as well as history, culture and so on of gap, still exists objectively. We must admit this point. For example, the question about "Chimai" Music, for western fans may be very simple or very primitive, but this step actually must cross for us. So we should more efforts, more humbly learning, including learning to the West experienced fans. Efforts to narrow the and make up for this gap. This is also all we Morricone lovers common goals and tasks! Hope everyone.
Finally, once again express my heartfelt gratitude to all friends who pay attention to the book . I hope more friends comment this book, and make continuous efforts to improve the quality of the book.
The editor and webmaster HAN April 5, 2013.
 
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April 25,2013
 
Some important page in the old area
The old chronology edited in 2009
The Films
Music Audition
A special column of China Morricone Fans Association
A column of general music counselor of Morriunion
A column of Morricone's music sung by songsters
Morricone's music played by the famous artists
All updated webpage for 10 years
Free resources in the world
About"Chi Mai"
A study on Morricone 2002-2010 six concerts in Europe,USA and Asia
The formal 20 sheets music of "The legend of 1900"
A exchange page for friends of requesting score music
Friends who are practicing piano
The webmaster's talk
Morricone news in China
About mobile WAP site
Morricone's MIDI music and download of its ring for your mobile
The important web sites of Morricone's work in the world
BBC-HVF A interview to Morricone
Ennio Morricone 2009 Beijing concert
Ennio Morricone 2010 Shanghai EXPO concert
Allonsanfan research
La Califfa research
Death rides a horse research
Metello research
Morricone's 100 famous music
Visiting Imola again after 13 years
Sacco e Vanzetti research
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